6 Bit Frc Vs 8 Bit
vegetaleb • Senior Member • Posts: ii,765
IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
I wonder which ane is ameliorate for photography?
A skilful AMVA true 8bit or an LG or Samsung IPS 6bit + FRC?
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bmoag • Veteran Member • Posts: three,189
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
"While response times of AMVA panels are faster than before tech, it still often lags backside current TN- and IPS-based displays. Viewing angles are amend than TN panels, but nonetheless non every bit expert as IPS tech. There is typically a noticeable off-heart dissimilarity shift at wider viewing angles. AMVA panels are often considered a heart ground between the operation of low-end, inexpensive TN panels and high-end, IPS-based displays."
https://itstillworks.com/amva-16887.html
In practice I doubtfulness many could tell the difference between a quality 6 bit IPS panel and an 8 scrap IPS console of the same resolution both calibrated to the same brightness for sRGB material just that's just physiology. Off centrality shifts are quite noticeable on TN panels only they take less image lag than most IPS panels, something that tin be noticeable playing games which is why high stop TN panels are still existence made. Low end TN panels are still being made for what should be obvious reasons.
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Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
bmoag wrote:
AMVA panels are often considered a middle ground between the performance of low-end, inexpensive TN panels and high-terminate, IPS-based displays."
Only because know-it-alls who off the back of second-hand information rather than experience write junk like the above.
AMVA displays accept 3x the contrast of IPS monitors.
It's due to twatwaffle similar this that more VA monitors aren't fabricated. Sites writing that IPS is the holy grail has condemned people to dim and listless IPS. How quickly they forgot their vibrant CRTs...
VA monitors - much greater dissimilarity, off-angle produces image washout with a small-scale color change
IPS monitors - low contrast, off-angle produces lower effulgence and IPS glow zone depending on the angle.
It should have been you decide your compromise and make your choice, except that internet scribblers regularly try to influence people most things they don't know.
Anyone that thinks a dim and listless monitor with dithered colors is ameliorate than a properly specified monitor must have a screw loose. You don't demand half dozen flake dithered anything nowadays, no thing what else is in the monitor.
sygnus21 • Senior Member • Posts: 1,916
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
bmoag wrote:
"While response times of AMVA panels are faster than before tech, it still frequently lags behind electric current TN- and IPS-based displays. Viewing angles are ameliorate than TN panels, simply even so non as skillful as IPS tech. There is typically a noticeable off-center dissimilarity shift at wider viewing angles. AMVA panels are often considered a middle footing betwixt the performance of low-end, cheap TN panels and high-end, IPS-based displays."
https://itstillworks.com/amva-16887.html
In practice I doubt many could tell the difference between a quality 6 scrap IPS console and an 8 flake IPS panel of the aforementioned resolution both calibrated to the same brightness for sRGB material only that'southward just physiology. Off axis shifts are quite noticeable on TN panels but they have less image lag than almost IPS panels, something that can be noticeable playing games which is why loftier end TN panels are however being made. Depression end TN panels are still beingness made for what should exist obvious reasons.
Y'all might want to expect at this easy to read commodity on monitor color depth as it's much easier the read than me explaining it. But the bottom line is 6-bit monitors display far less colors than an 8-flake monitor would.
With that, yes, one would notice a deviation in colors, particularly if they've dealt with 8-fleck (aka 24-bit "true color") monitors.
Personally I'd go with at least a 24bit monitor as the prices have fallen dramatically for IPS panels and they are becoming to norm now.
sygnus21 • Senior Member • Posts: 1,916
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fishy wishy wrote:
bmoag wrote:
AMVA panels are often considered a middle footing between the performance of depression-end, inexpensive TN panels and high-terminate, IPS-based displays."
Only because know-it-alls who off the back of second-paw information rather than experience write junk similar the above.
And you had the nerve to call me "fundamentally rude" and of existence a "bully". What a hypocrite!
AMVA displays take 3x the contrast of IPS monitors.
It's due to twatwaffle similar this that more than VA monitors aren't made. Sites writing that IPS is the holy grail has condemned people to dim and listless IPS. How quickly they forgot their vibrant CRTs...
VA monitors - much greater dissimilarity, off-angle produces image washout with a small colour alter
IPS monitors - depression contrast, off-bending produces lower effulgence and IPS glow zone depending on the angle.
It should have been you decide your compromise and make your pick, except that net scribblers regularly try to influence people most things they don't know.
Anyone that thinks a dim and listless monitor with dithered colors is better than a properly specified monitor must have a screw loose. Yous don't demand 6 chip dithered anything nowadays, no matter what else is in the monitor.
You honestly might do some homework where IPS panels vs AMVA panels are concerned. That AMVA panels have certain advantages over IPS panels doesn't make them inherently ameliorate than IPS panels.
OP vegetaleb • Senior Fellow member • Posts: 2,765
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
sygnus21 wrote:
bmoag wrote:
"While response times of AMVA panels are faster than before tech, information technology still often lags behind current TN- and IPS-based displays. Viewing angles are better than TN panels, but nonetheless not equally good every bit IPS tech. There is typically a noticeable off-center contrast shift at wider viewing angles. AMVA panels are often considered a middle ground betwixt the performance of low-end, cheap TN panels and high-end, IPS-based displays."
https://itstillworks.com/amva-16887.html
In practice I doubt many could tell the difference between a quality half-dozen bit IPS panel and an eight bit IPS panel of the same resolution both calibrated to the same effulgence for sRGB material but that'southward just physiology. Off axis shifts are quite noticeable on TN panels but they accept less epitome lag than most IPS panels, something that can exist noticeable playing games which is why high terminate TN panels are still beingness made. Low stop TN panels are all the same existence fabricated for what should be obvious reasons.
You might want to look at this easy to read article on monitor color depth as it'due south much easier the read than me explaining it. Simply the bottom line is six-bit monitors brandish far less colors than an 8-bit monitor would.
With that, aye, i would notice a deviation in colors, especially if they've dealt with viii-bit (aka 24-bit "true color") monitors.
Personally I'd go with at to the lowest degree a 24bit monitor every bit the prices have fallen dramatically for IPS panels and they are becoming to norm now.
Even so almost IPS screens like the LG 24MP59G merits to take 99% of sRGB panel?
Another question: would a 27'' 1080p wait besides pixelised compared t oa 24'' 1080P?
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Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
fishy wishy wrote:
bmoag wrote:
AMVA panels are oftentimes considered a middle ground between the operation of low-stop, cheap TN panels and high-end, IPS-based displays."
Just because know-it-alls who off the back of 2nd-hand information rather than experience write junk similar the above.
AMVA displays have 3x the contrast of IPS monitors.
It's due to twatwaffle like this that more VA monitors aren't made. Sites writing that IPS is the holy grail has condemned people to dim and listless IPS. How quickly they forgot their vibrant CRTs...
VA monitors - much greater contrast, off-angle produces image washout with a modest color alter
IPS monitors - low contrast, off-bending produces lower brightness and IPS glow zone depending on the angle.
It should have been you decide your compromise and make your option, except that cyberspace scribblers regularly try to influence people about things they don't know.
VA is and so bully, simply oh wait, it produces colour change off-angle.
That's probably the reason why no monitors targeted at photographers use VA console technology, and not considering of know-information technology-alls?
From an commodity written past someone that has tons of feel with displays:
"...IPS is generally considered the preferred choice for colour disquisitional piece of work..."
I'm not a great photographer or anything, simply I would think colour critical work includes photography, well unless yous shoot only B&W, in that example I'm not sure what technology is best, perhaps VA?
*TN and half-dozen-fleck +FRC are great because they are inexpensive, sometimes coin is a factor, maybe.
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Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
vegetaleb wrote:
Another question: would a 27'' 1080p look too pixelised compared t oa 24'' 1080P?
That would depend on your viewing distance and VA (visual acuity), 1080p @ 24" seems to be a good size for me, I would prefer more resolution for a larger display.
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sygnus21 • Senior Member • Posts: 1,916
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
vegetaleb wrote:
Even so well-nigh IPS screens like the LG 24MP59G claim to accept 99% of sRGB panel?
You'd have to check the specs of the monitor you're interested in since non all IPS panels are the aforementioned.
Another question: would a 27'' 1080p look too pixelised compared t oa 24'' 1080P?
I don't call up either would await "pixelized". Regardless, I'm no skilful on panel engineering and so your all-time bet would be again to find a console y'all're interested in and read up or reviews.
Modernistic Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,731
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onlyfreeman wrote:
fishy wishy wrote:
bmoag wrote:
AMVA panels are often considered a middle footing between the performance of low-end, inexpensive TN panels and high-stop, IPS-based displays."
Simply because know-it-alls who off the back of 2nd-hand information rather than experience write junk like the above.
AMVA displays have 3x the contrast of IPS monitors.
Information technology's due to twatwaffle similar this that more VA monitors aren't made. Sites writing that IPS is the holy grail has condemned people to dim and listless IPS. How apace they forgot their vibrant CRTs...
VA monitors - much greater contrast, off-angle produces image washout with a small color change
IPS monitors - low contrast, off-bending produces lower effulgence and IPS glow zone depending on the angle.
Information technology should accept been you decide your compromise and brand your choice, except that internet scribblers regularly endeavor to influence people about things they don't know.
VA is and then bang-up, but oh await, it produces colour change off-bending.
That's probably the reason why no monitors targeted at photographers use VA panel technology, and not because of know-it-alls?
From an article written by someone that has tons of feel with displays:
"...IPS is generally considered the preferred choice for colour critical work..."
I'm non a great photographer or anything, but I would think colour critical work includes photography, well unless y'all shoot only B&W, in that instance I'm not sure what technology is best, mayhap VA?
*TN and half dozen-chip +FRC are great because they are cheap, sometimes money is a factor, maybe.
Rather than trust others' opinions, what the OP could do is to compare modern VA and IPS panels themselves.
One field where both VA and IPS are well-represented is in the 4K/UHD Television market.
OP, run across what models are available in a local electronics store and find out which models accept VA and which have IPS panels; view several different ones yourself as if they were monitors and decide which type you prefer. That'southward what I did.
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OP vegetaleb • Senior Fellow member • Posts: 2,765
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
The thing is that all ips 1080p panels are 6bit frc then if all photographers use them and so the lack of real viii chip is non a problem.
The Lg 24mp59g has 99% srgb , dunno if it means all the colour palette is there.
Only hdr panels have wider color gamut but for now its useless for photography equally cameras are unremarkably 8bit
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Modernistic Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,731
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
sygnus21 wrote:
vegetaleb wrote:
Yet most IPS screens similar the LG 24MP59G claim to have 99% of sRGB console?
You lot'd take to cheque the specs of the monitor yous're interested in since non all IPS panels are the same.
Right. One of my laptops is IPS, and according to my Colormunki Display it'southward only 65% of sRGB. At present, that'sa visible difference!
Of course, I never use that laptop for photo editing; that's what the desktop is for.
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Austinian wrote:
Rather than trust others' opinions, what the OP could do is to compare modern VA and IPS panels themselves.
OP, run into what models are available in a local electronics shop and observe out which models have VA and which take IPS panels; view several different ones yourself equally if they were monitors and determine which type you lot prefer. That's what I did.
I agree, what conclusion did you reach after that?
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MOD Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,731
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
onlyfreeman wrote:
Austinian wrote:
Rather than trust others' opinions, what the OP could exercise is to compare modern VA and IPS panels themselves.
OP, encounter what models are available in a local electronics store and detect out which models have VA and which take IPS panels; view several different ones yourself as if they were monitors and decide which type you prefer. That's what I did.
I agree, what conclusion did you reach after that?
I read a bunch of reviews at rtings.com and bought a suitable 4K/UHD TV with a VA console to use equally a monitor, replacing my Dell 3007WFP-HC. That was several years ago; I have a better one now, the original is the do room Idiot box.
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OP vegetaleb • Senior Member • Posts: 2,765
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
Austinian wrote:
onlyfreeman wrote:
Austinian wrote:
Rather than trust others' opinions, what the OP could do is to compare modern VA and IPS panels themselves.
OP, encounter what models are available in a local electronics store and find out which models have VA and which have IPS panels; view several dissimilar ones yourself as if they were monitors and decide which type you prefer. That's what I did.
I concord, what conclusion did you reach subsequently that?
I read a bunch of reviews at rtings.com and bought a suitable 4K/UHD Tv set with a VA panel to employ as a monitor, replacing my Dell 3007WFP-HC. That was several years ago; I have a better one at present, the original is the exercise room Television.
I bought a sony x900e which is an amazing VA television set with 4k hdr but it'southward 55" then no style to use it as pc monitor.
My option is between lg 24mp59g which is ips and benq ew2770 amva
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sygnus21 • Senior Fellow member • Posts: 1,916
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
Austinian wrote:
sygnus21 wrote:
vegetaleb wrote:
Even and then most IPS screens like the LG 24MP59G claim to accept 99% of sRGB console?
You'd have to check the specs of the monitor yous're interested in since not all IPS panels are the same.
Right. One of my laptops is IPS, and co-ordinate to my Colormunki Display it's just 65% of sRGB. Now, that'southwarda visible divergence!
Aye, that'south pretty low.
Of course, I never use that laptop for photo editing; that's what the desktop is for.
My Lenovo has an OLED screen with a purported 90 per centum sRGB, and I'm not certain what my Asus IPS panel is. Anyway I too generally do my edits on my desktop seeing it has the much larger more authentic monitor. I've a wide gamut NEC monitor at that place with 100 per centum sRGB, and 99.3 percentage Adobe RGB.
MOD Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,731
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
vegetaleb wrote:
Austinian wrote:
onlyfreeman wrote:
Austinian wrote:
Rather than trust others' opinions, what the OP could do is to compare modern VA and IPS panels themselves.
OP, run into what models are available in a local electronics store and discover out which models have VA and which take IPS panels; view several unlike ones yourself as if they were monitors and determine which blazon you adopt. That's what I did.
I hold, what conclusion did you reach after that?
I read a bunch of reviews at rtings.com and bought a suitable 4K/UHD Tv with a VA panel to use equally a monitor, replacing my Dell 3007WFP-HC. That was several years agone; I have a ameliorate one now, the original is the exercise room TV.
I bought a sony x900e which is an amazing VA tv with 4k hdr but information technology's 55" and then no style to use it as pc monitor.
Aye, that's an first-class Boob tube, it was one of the best values around last yr co-ordinate to rtings.com. We have a 49" version in the TV room.
Only even 49" is as well big for my monitor; I'm using a smaller Sony 43X800D for that. That does fit nicely on my desk, though as I mentioned information technology hangs over the edges a bit.
My choice is between lg 24mp59g which is ips and benq ew2770 amva
I don't know the technical details of either and haven't seen them in person, and so I take no opinion. Practiced luck with whichever you choose.
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Mod Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,731
Re: IPS 6bit FRC vs VA 8bit?
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sygnus21 wrote:
Austinian wrote:
sygnus21 wrote:
vegetaleb wrote:
However nigh IPS screens like the LG 24MP59G claim to have 99% of sRGB panel?
You'd have to check the specs of the monitor you're interested in since not all IPS panels are the aforementioned.
Right. One of my laptops is IPS, and according to my Colormunki Display it's but 65% of sRGB. Now, that'sa visible deviation!
Yeah, that's pretty depression.
It wreaks havoc on the orange lily epitome I use for its wallpaper; I had to crank up the color saturation to make information technology tolerable.
Of form, I never use that laptop for photo editing; that'southward what the desktop is for.
My Lenovo has an OLED screen with a purported xc percent sRGB, and I'm not certain what my Asus IPS console is. Anyhow I likewise generally practice my edits on my desktop seeing it has the much larger more than accurate monitor. I've a wide gamut NEC monitor at that place with 100 percent sRGB, and 99.iii percent Adobe RGB.
The desktop monitor targets DCI-P3 gamut similar some recent displays from Apple and MS rather than Adobe RGB. It would similar to exercise Rec.2020, but as we all know there'southward no hope for annihilation similar 100% of that.
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sygnus21 • Senior Member • Posts: ane,916
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I'm agape you lost me here. Not familiar with DCI-P3, though I did look it up.
Anyway seeing your colour profile reminds me I need to recalibrate my monitor. Non that I needed to be reminded here considering every time I log into my PC my monitor calibration software (SpectraView II) reminds me my recalibration period has passed
BTW what monitor do yous accept?
Mod Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,731
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sygnus21 wrote:
I'k afraid you lost me hither. Non familiar with DCI-P3, though I did look it upwards.
Anyhow seeing your color profile reminds me I need to recalibrate my monitor. Non that I needed to be reminded here because every fourth dimension I log into my PC my monitor calibration software (SpectraView II) reminds me my recalibration period has passed
Heh, I turned the notifications off in DisplayCAL; unlike the erstwhile CCFL backlights, the LEDs don't change speedily. Typically every few months or any hardware alter for me.
BTW what monitor do you accept?
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